The Fire Chief

The Fire Chief podcast, hosted by Dr. Lee Scheinbart, brings you frontline, candid conversations about what its like to be a Chief Medical Officer at a time when the health care is on fire. And getting hotter all the time. Being a CMO is no small task and it takes intentional preparation, although some of it feels like a trial by fire. Becoming a CMO is like a career in firefighting. You start by going to firefighter school and you train and drill until you are ready to fight a fire. You put on the uniform day in and day out doing your job, maybe even becoming a squad leader or captain one day. And then, perhaps, you become a Fire Chief, or in this case, the Chief Medical Officer. This podcast is dedicated to the CMO.
Episodes
Episodes



Tuesday May 27, 2025
Invest In People
Tuesday May 27, 2025
Tuesday May 27, 2025
In this episode of the Fire Chief Podcast, host Lee Scheinbart interviews Dr. Michael Bakerman, the Chief Medical Officer at HCA Lawnwood Hospital. They discuss Dr. Bakerman's journey from cardiology to leadership roles in healthcare, the evolution of medical informatics, and the role of young physicians play in shaping the future of patient care. Dr. Bakerman shares insights on the challenges facing healthcare today, the importance of mentorship for aspiring CMOs, and the need for a collaborative approach in medical leadership. The conversation highlights the optimism for the future of healthcare and the critical role of CMOs in navigating the complexities of the industry.



Tuesday May 20, 2025
Chief Medical TRUST Officer
Tuesday May 20, 2025
Tuesday May 20, 2025
In this episode of the Fire Chief Podcast, host Lee Scheinbart interviews Dr. Austin Chang, an interventional gastroenterologist and Chief Medical Officer at Medtronic. They discuss Dr. Chang's journey in healthcare, the importance of patient education, and the role of social media in disseminating medical information. Dr. Chang talks about his book about gut health, the challenges of navigating the healthcare ecosystem, and the need for healthcare professionals to engage with social media to rebuild trust in medicine. In this conversation, Austin and Lee discuss the evolving landscape of medical education, the impact of social media on health communication, and the transition from clinical practice to industry roles. They explore the importance of critical thinking in medicine, the challenges of engaging audiences in an attention-driven economy, and the future of healthcare and the complexity of future systems. The discussion also emphasizes the need for physician leaders to navigate complexity and the value of networking and self-reflection in career transitions.



Tuesday May 13, 2025
CMO + COO = Chief Taser Officer
Tuesday May 13, 2025
Tuesday May 13, 2025
Summary
In this sparky episode of the Fire Chief Podcast, Dr. Ghazala Sharif discusses her unique dual role as Chief Medical Officer and Chief Operations Officer at Scripps Health. She shares insights on the importance of rapid decision-making in healthcare, especially during crises like COVID-19, and emphasizes the need for physician involvement in operational decisions. Dr. Sharif also addresses the challenges of building trust among physician leaders and the importance of work-life integration in maintaining personal well-being while navigating the complexities of healthcare leadership. In this conversation, Dr. Ghazala Q Sharieff and Dr. Lee Scheinbart discuss the challenges of balancing very serious personal health issues with professional responsibilities while at the same time emphasizing the need for clinical expertise in leadership roles. They also discuss the value of volunteerism and experiential learning in developing effective healthcare leaders. Finally, the discussion highlights the integral role of every team member in patient care, reinforcing the idea that healthcare is a collaborative effort.



Tuesday May 06, 2025
The Enemy Gets A Vote
Tuesday May 06, 2025
Tuesday May 06, 2025
Summary
In this flamethrowing episode of the Fire Chief Podcast, host Lee Scheinbart engages with Lieutenant General Mark Hertling to discuss the critical role of leadership in healthcare. They explore the development of physician leaders, the importance of interprofessional education, and the mulititude of crises faced by healthcare leaders in today's complex environment. The conversation delves into the impact of misinformation, supply chains, power outages, cyberattacks, funding and political crises on healthcare and how CMOs can address all of them. The conversation also leans into the necessity of embedding leadership principles in medical education as well as the concept of moral injury among healthcare professionals. Throughout the discussion, Hertling emphasizes the need for effective communication, resilience, and proactive crisis management in healthcare leadership.



Tuesday Apr 29, 2025
Let's Put Med Students in the C Suite?!
Tuesday Apr 29, 2025
Tuesday Apr 29, 2025
In this remarkable episode of the Fire Chief Podcast, two former CMOs, now both dedicated to working with medical students, Dr. Lee Scheinbart interviews Dr. Stuart Marcus, a seasoned physician leader. Dr. Marcus was a surgical leader at Bellevue Hospital when the planes crashed into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001. His life changed forever that day, as did so many others. They discuss the importance of integrating leadership training into medical education and the need for students and physicians to be prepared for a rapidly changing healthcare landscape. Dr. Marcus is pioneering a program for medical students to spend time with health system CEOs and to live and breathe the dynamics of healthcare from the C Suite. In this conversation, the two former CMOs discuss the evolving landscape of healthcare, focusing on change management, the future of physician leadership, the impact of AI, and the challenges faced by physician leaders. They emphasize the importance of understanding the reasons behind changes in healthcare, the necessity of team-based care, and the need for adaptability in leadership roles.



Tuesday Apr 22, 2025
Never Bluff
Tuesday Apr 22, 2025
Tuesday Apr 22, 2025
In this masterful episode of the Fire Chief Podcast, host Lee Scheinbart interviews Dr. Doug Koekkoek, a former Chief Physician Executive, discussing his journey in healthcare leadership, the importance of mentorship, and the challenges faced by Chief Medical Officers today. They explore the transition from clinical roles to executive positions, the significance of leadership training, and the complexities of labor relations in healthcare. Dr. Koekkoek shares insights on addressing professional behavior among physicians and the evolving landscape of healthcare management. In this conversation, Doug Koekkoek and Lee Scheinbart discuss the complexities of hospital management, particularly focusing on the roles of Chief Medical Officers (CMOs) in navigating peer review processes, the importance of preserving physician careers, and the financial pressures facing healthcare systems today. They emphasize the need for transparency in peer review, the challenges of consensus building in large health systems, and the shift towards outcome-based credentialing.



Tuesday Apr 15, 2025
A (bit of a) Reluctant Leader
Tuesday Apr 15, 2025
Tuesday Apr 15, 2025
In this episode of the Fire Chief Podcast, host Lee Scheinbart interviews Dr. Christopher Chisholm, the Chief Medical Officer of Providence Swedish Central Service Area. They discuss Dr. Chisholm's journey from military medicine to civilian healthcare leadership, emphasizing the importance of continuous learning, the role of influence in leadership, and the impact of mentorship. In this conversation, Chris and Lee discuss the evolving landscape of healthcare leadership, emphasizing the importance of women in executive roles. They share personal experiences related to crisis management, one of which is the ongoing doctor shortage. The dialogue highlights the need for adaptability in medical practice and the significance of calm leadership during chaotic situations. Chris reflects on lessons learned throughout both his military and his civilian careers, advocating for patience and humility as essential traits for effective leadership.



Tuesday Apr 08, 2025
Doctor vs Lawyer
Tuesday Apr 08, 2025
Tuesday Apr 08, 2025
In this crazy episode of the Fire Chief Podcast, host Lee Scheinbart interviews Tim Norton, Chief Legal Officer at Augusta Health. They discuss the evolving role of Chief Medical Officers in healthcare, the importance of understanding legal frameworks, and the challenges posed by legislative changes, particularly regarding Medicaid. Tim shares insights on effective physician leadership, emphasizing the need for curiosity and the ability to make tough decisions. The conversation also touches on the concept of captive insurance and its relevance to healthcare systems. In this conversation, Tim Norton and Lee Scheinbart discuss the complexities of healthcare leadership, focusing on the decision-making processes of physician executives, the importance of advocacy, and the challenges faced in medical staff dynamics. They explore the legal oversight in healthcare, particularly the difficulties of navigating business decisions that may not align with personal beliefs. The conversation culminates in addressing the pressing issue of Medicaid and its implications for healthcare access, while also recognizing the dedication of healthcare leaders.

The Fire Chief: The Chief Medical Officer Podcast
If you are a CMO in health care, this is the podcast for you. Every day there is a fire burning in health care. Oftentimes, it is the CMO that has to face the flames. Want to know what type of heat CMOs deal with on a regular basis? What unexpected dumpster fires have they encountered along the way? How they ascended into the toughest (& best!) job in healthcare? What leadership skills have helped them along the way?
Tune in to The Fire Chief!

Your Host
Dr. Lee Scheinbart practiced Hematology/Oncology for over 20 years and after directing his local cancer institute, he went on to serve as VPMA and later CMO at Health First Hospitals in East Central Florida. Currently he serves as Chief Health Affairs Officer for the Burrell College of Osteopathic Medicine. He is also Assistant Professor of Leadership Development at the College and the author of The CMO's Financial Primer, The Vital Handbook for Physician Executives. Dr. Scheinbart is also the Principal Instructor for the CMO Academy at the American Association for Physician Leadership.